Dale becomes very vulnerable whenever he takes allergy medicine and he must have grabbed a handful right before this week’s conversation featuring Dale and his guest, Philadelphia-based painter and illustrator M.K. Komins. Dale asks M.K. about their process creating the artwork used for the current season of Deep Night, and how they felt capturing Dale’s singular, pigeon-adjacent essence. M.K. and Dale also talk about a trip to Los Angeles as seen through a window, life lessons from twelve-step programs, and how a relationship to control (or the lack thereof) can play a part in one’s creative process. Plus lots about the significance of opening one self up to others and the importance of acknowledging our accomplishments. Oh, and Dale found an old photo that gave him all the feels.