Dale tunes his vessel to just the right frequency in this conversation with New York-based musician and songwriter, Odetta Hartman. Odetta tells Dale about growing up on the Lower East Side, exploring the music of caverns, the influence of Alan Lomax, and why murder ballads are such an enduring presence in the American songbook. In discussing Odetta’s album, Old Rockhounds Never Die, the two also touch on elemental sounds, vibrations of the planets, and the healing nature of the banjo. Plus Dale finds another weird tale from the ole bendy Seever family tree.